TRYING TO GET OUT OF MEXICO TIMESHARE

Good points above, BUT, I'm willing to bet there will be no harassing phone calls or damage to your credit score. That takes effort and my feeling is they'll just look at the situation as "well, we've squeezed all the juice out of that fruit" and just move on and close the books on their dealings with you. To pursue anything beyond that just doesn't appeal to them. Plenty more fish in the sea. Why bother?

I have a small issue with the clear conscience, stiffing someone line. Do you think they have pangs of conscience when they're getting you loosened up with alcohol, applying high pressure tactics, getting you to pay for a few weeks at a crazy high price, not really caring if you can afford it or not, maintenance fees that will ALWAYS increase, never decrease? I don't think so. Sleep well. Your conscience is clear!

You only pay maintenance fees if you use the property. I haven't paid maintenance fees for past two years. Prior to that I allowed HSI to use my weeks in exchange for them reimbursing me the maintenance fees. As the fees kept going up, they only reimbursed 80-90%. Now, they will give a voucher. There cash- exchange program was great. If you are a member of HSI, check it out.

That does sound great! Unfortunately, the language in my, and I'm sure others, contracts state that the maintenance fees must be paid whether you (or guests) come or not. And they went up every year like clockwork. HSI eh? Too bad I didn't get involved with them instead of the hustlers I wound up dealing with.

danl33 wrote:

Good points above, BUT, I'm willing to bet there will be no harassing phone calls or damage to your credit score. That takes effort and my feeling is they'll just look at the situation as "well, we've squeezed all the juice out of that fruit" and just move on and close the books on their dealings with you. To pursue anything beyond that just doesn't appeal to them. Plenty more fish in the sea. Why bother?

I have a small issue with the clear conscience, stiffing someone line. Do you think they have pangs of conscience when they're getting you loosened up with alcohol, applying high pressure tactics, getting you to pay for a few weeks at a crazy high price, not really caring if you can afford it or not, maintenance fees that will ALWAYS increase, never decrease? I don't think so. Sleep well. Your conscience is clear!

I agree wholeheartedly. After all, the only thing that gets "sold" in Mexican RTU contracts is the prospect (one which is not always easily utilized) of future access. There is no tangible "product" and no ownership of anything whatsoever --- just the aggressively marketed "privilege" of possible, occasional future access to a property. It's actually just a paper "membership" of sorts, acquired at considerable initial cost and ongoing, ever-increasing expense thereafter.

No RTU contract signatory is taking food out of anyone's mouth when they later realize that this aggressively marketed "privilege" of access wasn't worth the initial buy in cost or the ever-increasing annual fees, deciding to just stop paying. The slick-talking sales in Mexico will still go on and the pockets there will continue to get well stuffed by others, with or without those (quickly forgotten) RTU contract holders who wisely decide "No Mas" and just turn around and walk away from the whole thing --- and good on them all for taking the initiative to do so!

Amen KC. People just have to realize "okay, my bad for ever getting involved in this financial mess". Ever heard the term "stop the bleeding"? That's what you're doing. Just end it by whatever means you decide upon...but end it.

Wayne Robinson worked at, or knows well, all Mexico resorts. He hopes you buy his book but has offered his advice to untold Mexico buyers for free explaining why there is nothing they can do to you if you default on a loan. He is a former timeshare and executive. Due to the volume of people reaching out to him he has started charging $99 to review your contracts, but that is not usually needed. I edited his book and wrote the Foreword. Wayne lives in Malaysia so 24 hours time difference. He is an African American author who has also published a number of books for African Americans like for traveling or job searching. He is a self-described Army brat and served in the Navy as a Navy journalist. https://www.inspirethedreams.com/everything-about-timeshares-ebook

I don’t know Wayne Robinson from Adam’s cat, but his claims that he was “banned” from both RedWeek and Timeshare Users Group (TUG) is simply not accurate. Both sites clearly prohibit any form of advertising or commercial self-promotion in their discussion forums; Robinson's (prohibited) self-promoting content was merely removed from their discussion forums --- which is entirely different from being "banned". Robinson has also overtly stated that TUG and RedWeek “represent resort developers”. That is a truly bizarre and incomprehensible statement and nothing could be further from the truth.

Brian Rogers, owner and administrator of the TUG site, openly stated just yesterday on TUG that he has never even heard of Wayne Robinson and has certainly not “banned” him from TUG (a site which most certainly does NOT in ANY way “represent resort developers” --- it never has and it never will). On the contrary, TUG is probably the best site on earth for obtaining information which helps to PROTECT consumers from assorted underhanded and sleazy practices (and the truly obscene sales pricing) of the lying, deceitful sales weasels of various timeshare resort developers.

Mr. Robinson may be helpful in some way to some people; I wouldn't know. If so, that's great. However, his above clearly identified (and patently false) claims and disparaging (perhaps even libelous) remarks about TUG and RedWeek, made while marketing and promoting his book, are just entirely untruthful and factually inaccurate.

KC Wayne should have not attempted to promote his book on RedWeek or TUG. He was removed. He has given untold FREE advise to about 50 Mexico buyers I referred to him, those ready to sign up with Mexico lawyers. He dissuaded them from doing that. I will email Brian to explain Wayne Robinson. Wayne has been also ostracized by his former sales agent peers for writing his book advising that those who signed a contract in Mexico that they are not liable for the contract. I can't say that but he can. He doesn't need to be on RedWeek or TUG. He is on the Timeshare Cancellation Information Facebook encouraging people not to sign up with 3rd parties concerning Mexico timeshare. I have been 40 hours a week volunteer since 2016 bombarded with desperate timeshare owners and members who don't know where to turn. Easy to find those who criticize. Hard to find people willing to join me in the trenches to support our efforts to affect change. Wayne served in the Navy as a Navy journalist. I edited his book. He was referring to SMTN but when I told him about licensed brokers with LTRBA he accepted my edits.

It was a completely untruthful statement by Wayne Robinson to falsely state that both Timeshare Users Group (TUG) and RedWeek "represent resort developers". That is just pure nonsense --- and frankly, such a patently false statement borders on libel, aside from being completely untrue. There is simply no excuse for willfully proclaiming such a blatant (and potentially harmful) falsehood out into the public domain and so shamelessly misrepresenting the truth. Period.

I have a TS in Cabo San Lucas, I spoke with the company and was told to email them a statement that I am surrendering my TS. I first asked for a reduction in the fees due to covid with the big hold on travel. They did not want to reduce the fees. I have made money on the resort when we did not use it, not upset about it as it was a wash, nothing gained or loss. Would I do it again. NEVER LESSION LEARNED

You can easily get out of a Mexico timeshare. So easy. But to prove something, look at your credit report and you will not see the timeshare listed. They cannot affect your credit rating as they do not have relationships with U.S. credit reporting agencies.

You can easily get out. So easy.

There is nothing they can do whether it is paid or not. The jurisdiction is in Mexico. If you stopped paying on your Mexico timeshare and they could impact your credit rating, you would see it in your credit report. A Mexico timeshare will NEVER show up on a U.S. credit reporting agency.

Well, don't feel too bad. I worked in Mexico for many vacation clubs. Guess what? None of the resorts own inventory? The timeshares (vacation clubs) simply make reservations. The resort is owned by a different company. So, there is no reason to be paying a closing cost or maintenance fees on pure AIR. Worst yet, many of those companies do not have business licenses in Mexico or throughout the Caribbean. They are simply travel clubs with no discounts as you are paying more than the general public for the same unit.

If you stop paying, it will never show up on your credit report because Mexico businesses do not have relationships with U.S. credit reporting agencies. Mexico vacation clubs are not financial institutions with lending rights under truth and lending laws.

Here is the proof: Look at your most recent credit report and you WILL NOT see any mention about a Mexico timeshare.

Hello, Wayne Robinson (aka “W.R.”). How are you? Did you really need five separate, consecutive posts here just to say:

1. I am promoting myself here, pretending to be a "third party" and maybe getting some free advertising for my book, whose title I have cleverly inserted within the first one of my five consecutive posts today. Maybe forum moderators won't notice that, but if you now see only four consecutive posts from me today, then my (prohibited) self-promotion and my attempted self-advertising for my book has been discovered and removed by forum moderators.

2. All anyone ever has to do to escape a Mexican RTU "contract" is to simply JUST STOP PAYING!

KC I have know Wayne for about five years. I edited his book and wrote the Foreword. No, there should be no self-promotion here. But I have to say that Wayne has always been there when Mexico buyers have called me over the last several years and has never charged them a penny. He has contributed countless volunteer hours. I was shocked to learn how much Amazon takes of book sale proceeds. If Wayne has made enough money on his book to feed his cat, I'd be surprised. John Raymond is a member of LTRBA, the aptly named Licensed Timeshare Resale Brokers Association. John is a firm supporter of Wayne. Wayne is a former Navy journalist. It is extremely rare to find someone who worked as a timeshare executive and contract reviewer willing to speak out openly against the industry. He's on our side and one of the good guys.

John Kushman is a LTRBA member who started tracking timeshare wire fraud after his business identity was stolen. The data that John has collected about wire transfer scams is remarkable. Below is an interview with John Kushman, John Raymond, and Wayne. Earl and Faith Sharpe participated along with Earl's service dog Raven. They lost $51,000 to a Mexico timeshare, Tres Rios, Club Sunset I think it was, and $51,000 to a sophisticated timeshare organized crime ring. Earl is a 100% disabled Canadian armed police force veteran. Timeshare Specialists gathered detailed information about 117 Timeshare Exit Scams. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noGrCF_9EEY

TO WP How do I get the timeshare company to stop sending me bills. I stopped paying maintenance bills years ago. I bought timeshare in Puerto Vallarta 2004( Bel Air formally Playa Del Sol) and only used it twice. I wish I never got sucked into this. I am Canadian.

Wow! I would like to stop paying since they refuse to let me return it to their inventory without a hefty fee. Did it impact your credit report?

How many times do people have to post "it will NOT impact your credit score"? Are you just timid? "Oh.......I don't know". We know. We did it and nothing happened. If you have paid for the initial buy-in and are now just paying maintenance fees, stop that foolishness. You're just throwing your money away. Nothing will happen to you because nothing CAN happen to you. Read closely some of the previous pages on this subject. I guess you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

It is very easy to cancel a Mexico timeshare as Mexico does not sell timeshares, but vacation clubs. There is a big difference. Anyone can cancel a club membership. I see people do it all the time.